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对Thermaeze,Thermoss或类似的铸入位置基础层绝缘有任何经验吗?

K T|Posted inGreen Building Techniqueson

下面的链接certainteed-(隔热材料暴露在基础的内壁上)
2-4″ EPS insulation panel attached to wall form, with void space in-between filled with concrete foundation.

https://www.certainteed.com/resources/ThermaEZE%20General%20Brochure%2040-96-02D.pdf
https://bartleycorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2013-07-09-inslation-install-thermomas-closeup-365×365.jpg

和Thermomass-(夹在混凝土之间的绝缘材料)
https://thermomass.com/products/system-cip/
https://www.spec-net.com.au/press/0510/images/cgs120510_img01.jpg

Would like to know if there are any cost/performance advantages of this approach to just adding foam to the interior after foundation is cast. And for the sandwich approach, if there’s still risk of moisture condensation on the interior concrete wall.

谢谢!

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  1. 米克·麦克布赖德||#1

    KT,

    我已经对Google进行了大量研究,试图找到可以使用演员阵容的方法来找到有关建造房屋的任何信息。这是我最终想建造自己的房子并进行设计的方式。主要问题是,没有很多关于使用它来建造房屋的信息,并试图找到承包商来做这是一个挑战。

    There are many different companies that sell different concrete wythe connectors for cast in place or precast walls.
    https://hkties.com/products/

    https://altusprecast.com/carboncast-high-performance-sunderance-susnasual-wall-panels/

    https://archinect.com/forum/thread/87382/concrete-sandwich-wall

    http://www.daytonsuperior.com/docs/default-source/application-guides/delta-tie-app-gd.pdf- 有关于冷凝的部分。

    https://precast.org/2018/03/taking-comfort-in-precast/- Has a section about moisture.

    我有很多这样的产品和对这些产品书签进行的研究。

    我仍然没有决定演员或预制;我来回翻转,具体取决于我正在阅读的文章以及我所在地区的可用性。

    感谢您带我回到兔子洞。

    米克

  2. Jon R||#2

    另一个混凝土/泡沫混合动力车是“ SCIP”。一个好的系统,但在美国根本不流行。

    内部的泡沫需要覆盖(出于火灾原因)。外部(或中间)上的泡沫具有一定的热质量优势。在所有情况下,考虑热桥接(例如,地板/墙壁交叉点)。

  3. 罗杰·贝里(Roger Berry)||#3

    KT,

    At risk of being the skunk at the party, I would urge you to look more closely at all thermal pathways when considering two of the products you have supplied links for. I was going to attach snips of the relevant parts of two photos supplied by the manufacturers, but I am fearful of violating copyright laws as well as p---ing off the companies.

    对于倒入墙壁的壁,无论是热等量还是热摩量,下落是由用于保持表单的断裂扎带带来的频繁的热桥。这些普通的钢带将引起冷水模式,就像我在屋顶上看到的那样(下图)。ORNL对中壁中的泡沫的热量损失进行了分析,该泡沫证明了整个壁r值的命中率是多少。如果我能找到它,我将附加。大约10年前,我一直在研究所有这些交替的东西,而硬盘驱动器很喘息。

    One picture clip I am not adding is from the cover of the ThermaEZE product brochure you linked to. Please note the form's break-back ties prominently showing just behind the blue plastic widgets that are piercing the possibly not code foam. An interior shot from the Bartley site of a Thermomass installation shows the break-back ties over the man's shoulder.

    我进行了研究,甚至发现确实有盐水环境混凝土工厂中使用的玻璃纤维杆绑带。非常昂贵,而且我不太可能让当地人有可能倾泻一份全新和一次性的工作。

    是否有内置的斑点将内部干墙螺钉射入塑料小部件的努力和费用都值得探索。不断发展可能是一种更实用的产品,可以研究地下室的内部绝缘层。与工程师和当地人核实他们将如何接受两个wythe墙以及如何详细介绍门槛板也是一个好主意。Thermaeze至少更正常。

    I have attached my own photo of my own roof to show just how powerful the heat transfer is when using carbon steel screws. These particular ones are passing through 6" nail base into LVL rafters. The underside of the deck is a foam and batt continuation of the insulation profile. The snow is about 3" deep. Stainless screws would have been a wiser choice since the heat conduction is about half that of carbon steel. I would have also included a picture of the same effect on my standing seam roof panels when the morning dew will show hot spots. Unfortunately I don't mark my photos well and can't find it.

    Dayton,Altus和HK产品似乎非常适合倾斜结构,从而避免了金属断裂的领带。倾斜面板与传统房屋建筑的工程水平非常不同,这可能会将成本提高到不切实际。尽管上层地下室使用了一种有点相似的镶板混凝土和泡沫板技术,但我发现了嵌入式钢基和顶板的热可疑。至于费用,这也需要审查。

    Sorry to sound like such a negative Nancy, but I reviewed pretty much all the same stuff and ended up just shooting 3" reclaimed XPS to the outside of the foundation and jacketing that with Grace Bitumen product. Half inch steam shower grade Hardiboard is hung from a designed in point on my wall flashing. A bit fussy to make tidy, but most everyone thinks that they are looking at a normal foundation if they pay any attention at all.

    So basically, yeah it is much less fuss, maybe less cost, and condensation inside the basement is not an issue at all. But my tolerance for humidity levels may be different from yours. Don't forget to insulate under your slab to at least R10 preferable R15 and provide a washed rock base for the foam. Calculate the heat loss for 12-1500 sq.ft. of R2 on a Delta T of 20 F and then appreciate how much load the basement actually is in an overall view. The ground will be that temperature 24/7 for 365. The above grade parts will see greater Delta T extremes, but at least for many climates, spend a good percentage near to 68-70 F or Delta Zero.

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