令人失望的能源审核：请评论
I received the results of an energy audit done January 18, 2012, along with a proposal for work to be done, which I reviewed in greater detail after the auditor left. I emailed him with my questions, but he hasn’t responded. I’d appreciate anyone’s thoughts on how good an audit this is. Most of the proposal makes sense, but one concern is the reference to air sealing “around the flue for DHW /furnace with aluminum flashing and fire caulk.” I have electric baseboard heat (yes, I’m the one). Also, the auditor said the potential yearly savings (for the $4,110 attic project) is $669. One reason I question this is because it shows a reduction in cooling costs, but I don’t have air conditioning. I also wonder about adding cellulose to R-50 (to restore it to what it was originally, which is fine) and installing a hatch to the currently inaccessible attic with the top of it insulated with 3” foamboard, as proposed. Wouldn’t that create a weak area in the middle of the R-50 attic? Additionally, the auditor used his 1644 s.f. measurement of the ceiling area to be insulated in his calculations, but this house is a split level, so there’s another heated area below half of the rooms where the ceiling would have insulation added. He refused to do an infrared scan of the ceilings, which was the main reason I had the audit done in the first place. Snow on the roof doesn’t melt in the winter (I live in central New York State), so I figured the insulation was doing its job, but there were icicles last year that caught my attention. He made it clear that he was only interested in addressing the big jobs. Any comments?
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颂歌，
You are asking us to evaluate a report that we haven't seen on a house that we know nothing about. That is hardly fair, to you or the auditor. But you do bring up an interesting point - should auditors perform the remedial work or be independent third parties?
It seems you have already identified some weaknesses in his "audit" & given your side of the story they sounds as though they may have blown through this just to make a buck. Here in SW Washington State a $4100 attic project sounds a bit excessive but it is a possibility it could cost that much?
Given the lack of response from them justifies looking elsewhere for service...
Icicles may or may not be a sign of inadequate insulation but something is causing the melting.... Having access to an attic is important (most all building & fire codes require them) but as you point out - it is also important to have consistent R-value if possible so it makes sense to have some type of hatch or cover that is close to the R-50 you say is there now. Foam boards have R-4 to R-7 per inch so a cover made of 7" to 12" of foam board should do the trick. Good luck!
听起来好像那个家伙做了一份糟糕的“复制和粘贴”工作来产生您的报告。投资回报率似乎还不错，大约是6年的回报，但是如果您没有在家中执行能源模型的结果，我会质疑它是如何得出的。您没有说您为审计支付了多少钱，但是有些人因“免费”审计而失败，其中通常会得到他们所支付的费用。在很短的时间内，“能源审核”一词就意味着无数的事情，其中许多只是在卖东西。我的信念是，不出售改进的独立审计师是获得公正审计的唯一确定方法。我会寻找另一个审核员，并在签约之前检查参考文献。
颂歌，
The biggest complaint I have with energy auditors is the lack of a detailed report after the audit. A quality energy audit should be a document for the homeowner to use in making decisions on how to improve the comfort, durability and energy efficiency of the building. A good energy audit should in my opinion include thermal scans of all exterior surfaces.
I have notebooks full of lists as to what constitutes a good and thorough building evaluation. It starts with energy bills for the previous 12 month period. An elemental breakdown of the building envelope is in order, wall and ceiling R-value and insulation type, windows and doors, foundation above and below grade. A blower door test is essential as part of the building energy audit, excessive infiltration is often the most glaring deficiency. The square footage and volume of the building must be known to apportion energy usage for each element.
This is a start, I would say your auditor is a bum from what you have told us. I would not know who governs auditors but a call to the BBB or attorney general may be in order. An auditor should be independent and not offer or provide remedial services. I believe home inspectors in MN at least can only inspect and not recommend or do work.
谢谢大家的意见。我同意利益冲突的关注，并正在考虑雇用独立的建筑检查员进行公正的评估。审核是由Nyserda批准的列表中的“建筑绩效学院认可的家庭绩效承包商”进行的（并由他们支付给审计）。我想承包商通知Nyserda审核已经完成，因此可以付款，但我不知道Nyserda是否对房主进行了任何跟进。我可以自己发起。去年的融化可能是一种氟，因为在这个地区有太多的冻结和融化，因此问题很常见。尽管没有与红外线扫描同时进行，但我了解这并没有提供太多信息，但进行了鼓风机的门测试。感谢您确认怀疑。再次感谢您的投入。
听起来您没有好的审核。审计师在也在工作的公司中工作吗？一些公司将审计用作销售工具，如果他们的动机不稳定，那可能是一个问题。那里有很多人自称为这种能量，而没有太多的培训或经验。
就其价值而言，我不同意审计师必须与公司进行工作完全分开的立场。这并不是我们在其他工作领域中看到的模型。医生，汽车机械师，承包商和许多其他人经常诊断该问题，然后解决问题。
如果可以访问阁楼，扫描天花板并不重要。如果您有一个无法访问的人，则需要切开一个开口。
Finally, I would take "projected savings" with a grain of salt. Lots of assumptions go into making those projections, and the auditor has to rely on software, much of which has been shown to be inaccurate at least some of the time.
I provided the auditor with my energy usage and cost for the past 2 years. He made a point of mentioning that he had to convert btu's to kWhs for his report. I got the info. needed to do that in 3 seconds via an online search. 90% of the report was unusable to me. He also didn't know of any other work done for someone with all electric that I could talk to, but said he'd check. With the information I have, I certainly won't hire him and, since he didn't reply to my email, I assume he knows that.
What was the cost of this audit? If you have it in PDF format, are you willing to email it to me?
The audit was free and you have electric heat. I better lay low. Good luck.
I scanned it into my computer so the audit is in PDF format now. Would you like me to include it here as an attachment, David?
看起来您可以上传最大2 MB的PDF。我想看看。
I'm not a techie, but I'll do my best. By the way, the audit includes a proposal to insulate the rim joists in the basement. I've decided to do that myself a little at a time using rigid foam.
I got an error message saying that the file exceeds the maximum size. I can't tell which pages went through (there are 7), so I'll send this along for now.
我很抱歉。我想我在这里附上了前3页。
The last page is just another pointless pie chart and line graph discussing cooling loads.
就我个人而言，我认为您的价格是出色的审核。
As to the AC costs being included, you are being given savings costs as if you had AC or were to add it in the future. Many homes have AC. The Energy auditing business is for all homes not just yours. There was no harm done at all by including the AC info. Just as you are doing, ignore it.
At this point you can take your audit and get 3 prices to do updating insulation work. Or not.
我真的认为您已经为您付出的钱提供了一份很好的报告。
I had to crop this page because the file was too large, but this is all there is.
AJ, how do you know what she paid for it?
卡罗尔：“审计是由建筑绩效学院认可的“房屋绩效承包商”进行的，他在Nyserda提供的批准清单上（并由他们支付给审计）。
是的，但是她付了尼塞尔达吗？这是免费的消费计划吗？
如果我在最初的问题中提到的较低加热区域被考虑到了审计的价值。当然，AC是所有电气的问题。在我看来，外面天花板的红外图片对分析那里的绝缘效果有所帮助。
I paid nothing to NYSERDA. This is part of a weatherization program they are offering.
卡罗尔，几个想法。首先，如果这不花任何钱，您只会失去一段时间。
您在这里发布的审计报告页面实际上只有一个我发现有用的信息段落，这是空气密封和隔离阁楼和边缘托梁的建议。很难说出这些地区是否不知道当地市场是否良好，但是我只是在阁楼上做了3000美元，包括密封和绝缘管道，因此4000美元并不是不可能的，尤其是如果您在那里遇到一团糟的时候满意于。
那里有很多非消费者友好的Mumbo-Jumbo ...所有这些用于加热和冷却负荷的数字，潜在与明智的等等...但是我敢打赌，这是他们的软件吐出的，审核员无法控制。鼓风机的门测试根本没有清楚地显示，尽管似乎他在改进之前表现出ACH和之后的目标。他估计至少一些诸如墙壁隔热和玻璃性能之类的东西。
I find the financing figures you are being offered quite attractive... I would jump at 2.9% fixed/10 years for energy work on my own home (I am doing some and it is costing me more than that for any part I choose to borrow).
最重要的是，他建议阁楼工作，我建议几乎每个人都有较旧的阁楼（他们经常有R-11和大量泄漏）。他建议RIM托梁，这也是完全标准的。不知道为什么您的供暖设备没有评论。热泵是在这里对没有人的任何人的自动推荐。由于他没有列出您的每单位电气和气体费用，因此我无法知道他是否应该推荐燃油开关。
您可能想做的是获得2-3个阁楼大修的进一步价格...删除现有的，空气密封的，挡板，重新构想，如果您可以去R-50，请不要停止更高。同样的人也可以将轮辋托梁的工作定价。
卡罗尔（Carol），伊莫（Imo）与尼塞尔达（Nyerda）和您的审核的绅士一起获得。我们接近这里的几个圈子……审计的响枪狗追逐它的尾巴。
Air sealing, shutting down some rooms of your home, adding a roommate, adding insulation, adding a pellet stove, moving south, lots of ways to skin your auditor's cat, and prep it for dat hungry dog O yours...
也...我同意大卫的建议。运行它。
作为BPI认证的承包商，我想对纽约州Nyerda计划进行一些评论。首先，对于那些不了解纽约计划的人，对房主免费审核并由Nyserda付款（因此，他们并不是“您获得的“您得到您的收益”的营销gimmic）。Nyserda应该与BPI一起提供质量保证。承包商并没有真正偿还足以证明自己想做的审核的合理性，但这是让人们查看房屋能量使用的一种非常好的方法（因为很难让大多数人吸引大多数人花钱在审核上）。然后，通过该计划的房主有资格获得许多良好的激励措施（提到的低利息贷款，10/50％的回扣，取决于收入等）。一方面是Nyserda要求审计公司将其30％的审核介入工作（该公司内部或潜艇）才能留在该计划中。因此，为了获得任何激励措施，您不能使用公正的审核员。
我确实注意到一些事情的报告。First, including the cooling savings is sloppy (although maybe their software requires it). You have to useat least a SEER rating and how do you do that when nothing is there? Second, if that is the entire report, there is something very fishy going on. The "after" part includes better wall insulation (and most of the savings are from reduced losses through the walls) even though changes to the walls are not in the work scope. The attic insulation part will also not pass NYSERDA's requirements for the 10% incentive that is included in the analysis. Going to the more subjective, it also seems to me that other possible improvements shoudl have been at least mentioned (more efficient appliances, lighting, heat pump option) at least for consideration and comparision to the proposed work. That is the whole point of a "Comprehensive" Home Assessment. Finally, it is hard to judge prices from a distance and there is a lot of variation in a given area, but it does seem steep for an 800SF footprint. I'd be happy to come out from Albany for less than that!
您可以联系Nyserda（或CSG他们的“实施者”），要求为他们而不是承包商工作的人重新启用。
I'm really glad to get such thorough input from a contractor in NYS who's aware of the NYSERDA program. I attached all 7 pages of the auditor's report and it appears that my original concerns about it are justified. I definitely will contact NYSERDA.
为什么再次弹出此线程？谁编辑了OP的帖子？
大卫，
I did. The corrections were made as part of routine testing of our search engine function -- and correction of spelling errors to improve our search function results.