Marvin Ultimate vs Pella Architect windows
我们正在冷冬季(8,500'海拔,气候区域6B)建造一栋新房子。它被设计为节能(例如,墙壁和屋顶上的厚外部绝缘)。对于Windows,我们正在查看Marvin和Pella的报价。价格可比(Marvin 10%左右)。U因子也相似(Tripane约为0.21)。我有几个问题无法得到清楚的答案:
*空气泄漏: Marvin says their casement windows have less than 0.01 cfm/ft2 air leakage for their casement windows in the Ultimate series. I could not find data on Pella Architect. Does anyone have experience?
*总的质量:斗篷似乎有质量问题在the past. For example, there was a class action lawsuit because of water penetration into the window sash, behind the aluminum cladding. This is a number of years ago. Is quality still a concern with Pella, even for their higher-end lines.
*Fiberglass vs aluminum: Marvin offers exterior fiberglass cladding or aluminum cladding. The thermal performance of fiberglass is better of course, and it is less expensive. What about durability? (Marvin’s warranty for aluminum-clad windows is 20 years vs 10 years for fiberglass clad windows.)
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这很有帮助。
https://www.reddit.com/r/homeimprovement/comments/221pej/windows_have_questions_get_get_in_here_here_ie_i_have/
I ordered from the local company with the most efficient windows. I've been very happy with the results. I haven't experienced the cold season with them - singles replaced with triple panes I'm sure will be great - they are rated "R-5" for what that means. U 0.2
In the summer time there is very little darkening but zero heat gets through. It's significantly reduced the heat load on the house as a whole. Looking forward to see how it works out in the winter. (Zone 6A)
如果是目标性能是目标,那么我不确定这两个制造商是最佳选择,但也许本地服务/负担能力是目标。
在过去的几年中,我们已经安装了(猜测)95%的Marvin,4%的Andersen和1%的Pella。我在中西部。
Here is Pella's design performance guide:
http://media.pella.com/professional/adm/Misc/Intro-Performance.pdf
Thank you for the response. Yes, local service and affordability did play a role. However, which other manufacturers would you recommend?
我实际上同意您的观点,本地服务/负担能力是主要考虑因素。如果出现问题,我不会购买没有本地代表的窗口。我也没有从事被动房屋项目,因此对我来说更容易权衡(我可以使用较低的性能窗口)。
Here in the Midwest I don't really have a good feel for it (most projects go Marvin). When I was back on the East Coast I would be comfortable with anything I could get through Pinnacle Window Solutions out of Maine because I knew they would come out and fix any issues I had. Brands they carried that you might be able to find locally: Alpen and Loewen. They also carry Logic, but I think that is a house brand.
This is a good article to help put you in the 'window selection mindspace':
//m.etiketa4.com/article/what-windows-should-i-buy
如果您去Marvin,他们确实有三重选择。如果您选择并主要安装外壳,那么您将在没有进入杂草的情况下做出一些相当不错的选择。他们确实做了一些倾斜,但仅签名线,我不知道有哪些规格可用。
Ms. Blume,
您的参数听起来很熟悉。我住在2015 - 16年建造的超蛋白绝缘房屋中的6B中8000英尺。当我研究窗户时,我很震惊地发现,您提到的两个供应商都没有将氩放在安装在4-5000英尺以上的高度上的窗户中。我找不到原始电子邮件,我可能用引号浪费了它们。鉴于丹佛是我引用的相当低海拔的“英里高”城市。
我建议您联系Thinkalpen。他们将窗户用附着在毛细管上的膀胱运送,使氩气充满膨胀并收缩,从而平衡窗户。将窗户放到我的网站上意味着至少要超过10,000英尺的通行证,而Alpen Windows是唯一一家提供压力均衡气球的公司,以确保安全到达,而不会压力密封件,而氩气则完好无损。即使处理管有点挑剔,它也可以很好地工作。
我确实看了总共五个来源,也许Marvin和Pella改变了规则,并将保证用Argon交付到更高的高度。但是,我会先确认这些信息并首先书写。在我的特定设计时期,只有Alpen可以或可以使用Argon或Krypton将窗户运送到我的高度。欧洲风格的一家外国制造商表示可以,但它涉及将单位以负压平衡状态发送,这意味着窗户向内弯曲,直到他们在这里滚动。该描述不鼓励我,加上交货的成本和时间表不在预算之内。
I won't mention which manufacturer's rep tried to tell me that air was as good as argon and that the argon leaks out anyway. I will say that the Alpen people were much more on top of the actual energy details in all regards. The windows you refer to as fiberglass clad are most likely not clad, but framed with it. Fiberglass frames come in different forms. The Alpen pultrusion frames have performed well and are a good thermal match to the glass/frame expansion you will see, especially at high sunny altitudes.
Some things to consider if this will be your first home in high country. Wind is much more constant and peaks higher than the midwest burb we came from. You may be making a similar shift of environments. The sun is waaaay more intense. And I am not sure what finishes can really deal with the UV load. Do not pick really dark colors if you can avoid them.
I had been advised by a friend that built earlier in a nearby location to NOT put a lot of opening windows in my design. His advice was appropriate, we only crack open a few, partly due to the wind, partly due to the dust from Utah. Obviously, egress windows are necessary, but the banks of awning windows I had planned to put in have not been missed. Our porch is rarely tolerable to use.
与一些思考相反,我使用了最低的SHGC,并不后悔。冬天的热量不值得您在夏天获得的收益。即使我们在晚上定期享受非常凉爽的平均温度,但高SHGC窗户的夏季热量收益也会促使我们进入需要AC。房屋的设计使其不必要(到目前为止)。增量气候变暖即使在8000英尺处也到达,我可能需要在10年内进行AC。您需要AC的要求,我们基于我们讨厌风扇噪音的选择。
我可以说,我们窗户上的空气密封是典范的。遮阳篷和外壳密封非常了不起。我们的邻居曾经到达帮助犁,我们从未听过他,如果您曾经听过柴油动力的滑动转向,这是一项壮举。我向您保证,我没有听力问题。窗户闩锁可调节,曲柄机制保持良好。玻璃纤维框架已被证明是稳定的,并且可以很好地匹配太阳窗户上的压力。
如果您的Google Alpen,可以确定您会遇到一个常见的Internet问题。什么都没有消失。您会发现有关热膜技术的30年的问题,而严重的窗户期限为十年。据我所知,该公司不再是与认真的窗户相关的人。我继续做我的Alpen决定,知道背部故事,我不后悔自己的选择。电影很好。海豹做得很好。如果我接受有关氩气与能源效率无关的荒谬主张,则表现优于我将拥有的。
.21 u的三窗格值非常令人印象深刻。您会发现大多数房屋中的窗户区域可能会导致一半的能源损失或更多。如果您选择也绝缘的窗户,您的家居设计听起来会更好。至少,与Alpen人交谈,看看他们可以提供什么。我之所以这么说,不是因为我是任何一种隐藏的代理人。我之所以这样说,是因为您注意到,您确实需要判断所看的窗户的正确信息并不是很好。尝试查找星号对“某些区域”的含义。我尝试了一个站点的窗口选择器,该窗口选择器再次产生了u值,但没有给人留下深刻的印象。没有提及海拔限制。
良好的三窗格窗户的舒适水平值得任何明显的价格上涨。我不建议使用内部涂料选项,因为它会降低玻璃的冷凝点,如果使用磨料窗口清洁剂,它会受到损坏。我们的U .15固定单元坐在零或更低的旁边非常舒适。
我们刚刚进行了类似的练习,并最终与Alpen 625系列一起进行。
我们正在重塑35 y/o的房屋,并使用现有的Pella clad套管,并添加加法和ADU。我们在科罗拉多州,气候7,8300'海拔,阳光,雪和风暴露,因为最近的邻居超过1英里。
看着塞拉太平洋,马文,佩拉和阿尔班。我很快就会从中西部退休的住宅和轻型商业GC。我们已经安装了许多clad Marvin和Pella,并开始将它们最终视为覆层陷阱水分的最终衰减和恶化。您似乎与他们有25 - 35年的生活。我们还改建了100Y/O的历史建筑,在该建筑物中,实木窗户可以修复,并将再有100年。
我们查看了带有Igus的自定义桃花心木窗户,但成本太多了,因此最终决定在出厂外套失败时确定耐用性,隔热性和油漆性。Marvin Integrity(或现在的名称)与Alpen之间没有竞争。阿尔彭大约增加了15-20%,但在构建质量和细节方面,R-Value大约要好得多,并且能够处理所有尺寸和形状,并且一切都匹配。借助Marvin线条,我们必须与一些内部木质覆盖物混合并搭配,并获得一些终极,以获取适合我们需求的产品。如果我们使用所有最终的报价,那将等于Alpen。
First order is coming in about 2 weeks so we are hoping they perform as well as expected.
回去查看您喜欢Alpen产品,安装过程的样子以及您对美学和性能的整体观点。他们是否提到过与您的Alpen Windows相关的同性恋等级?谢谢!