Fireplace in All-Electric House
We’d like to have a fireplace in our otherwise all-electric new home. We considered wood burning options, but ended up ruling them out due to the aggravation of starting the fire and cleaning ashes afterwards.
So as far as I can tell, that leaves us with two options – propane and natural gas. We don’t have natural gas at the property now, but there is a gas line about 400 feet away. Our builder is quoting about $6K to trench the gas line, and the gas company wants about $3K for a “connection fee”. Plus we’ll have a monthly service charge, no matter how much or little gas we use.
另一个选择是丙烷，它可以是从小地上储罐到较大的地下水箱的任何东西。我们担心地面坦克的“外观”，但地下坦克的报价几乎为6k美元。丙烷的成本高于天然气。
我讨厌放置天然气基础设施的想法，更不用说每月费用了，但是我喜欢隐形性和无维护方面。丙烷选项（尤其是不是地下的选择）似乎很有吸引力，因为它的“永久性”不那么“永久”，但恐怕我们可能会觉得它很丑陋。
Just wondering what other folks who want to be green have done when faced with the desire to have a fireplace?
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电壁炉怎么样？没有追逐，没有漏水的机会。
感谢Armando，如果我能找到一个看起来现实的人，那将是理想的选择。再说一次，我认为燃气壁炉无论如何都不是那么现实（与木材燃烧相比），因此也许电动是一个不错的选择。特别是如果我们可以节省$ 15-20k，而与天然气相比。将进一步研究。
Dimplex提供了一些非常逼真的电壁炉。Opti-V和Opti-Myst的外观非常现实，并且可以插入几乎所有壁炉周围。
莱昂，
商业或大型的住宅项目始终通过为发电机和丙烷罐进行装饰筛选来解决此问题。
A Google Image search for "Screen for propane tank" will give you some ideas.
马尔科姆（Malcom），感谢您的提示，那里肯定有一些有吸引力的（且有创意的）筛选想法。我打电话给几个丙烷坦克租赁场所，很惊讶地听到虽然租赁成本还不错（250 GAL坦克每年约300美元），但安装和汽油路由约为3K美元。哎哟!
The advantage of the propane and NG over electric is that it can give you a backup heating source when the power goes out. I looked at this as the cost of a generator and it's maintenance and it's noise vs. the cost of the NG or propane.
That is a valid point, and definitely needs to be considered. That was one of the arguments that the natural gas provider sales person kept touting, an "unlimited supply of gas for a generator".
Propane or a gas supply coupled with a generator gives you everything you would have if the power were on. The downside is of course the installation and running expenses aren't cheap.
If you decide to go propane, I think owning the tank is a much better option than renting.
对于更高量的用户，他们通常不会为坦克收费并安装，但每加仑为您收取更多的费用来补充坦克。通常，对于客户来说，这不是一件好事。仅使用壁炉，您的使用情况就太低了。
If you rent the tank no other company can legally fill it.
5 years ago, I bought and had buried a 250 gallon tank for about $900 in a hole I had prepared and lined with sand.
I failed to ask for a gage so I have no way of knowing how much gas is in my tank.
借助City Gas是的，您只要系统工作，您就有无限的供应量，但在现场存储中的供应量为零。如果不太可能发生供应中断或地震，您的气体为零。
It seems like we are using about 15 gallons a year with just a fireplace.
沃尔特
我与一个丙烷坦克供应商进行了交谈，他说，由于供应链问题，这些天几乎不可能购买坦克。另一个人（租赁坦克）提出要放入上面的250加仑坦克，但表示“连接”它的价格为3000美元，这听起来很疯狂。
一切都可能是毫无意义的，事实证明，我的妻子被大型丙烷罐的想法所吓坏了，所以我认为未来有一条汽油管线。幸福的妻子幸福的生活:)。
的骨灰的唯一原因是你吗are opposed to a wood stove? I can't help but contrast that tiny occasional chore against the cost and environmental impact of piping in natural gas or propane. This episode of the BS* + Beer Show might be of interest:玩火：室内燃烧.
Superior生产10,000 BTU丙烷直接通风壁炉，一个20磅的储罐（4.6加仑）的BTU约为420,000 BTU，因此10,000 BTU直接通风壁炉的运行时间为42小时。如果您将两个或三个串在一起，那将是84或126小时 - 对于冬季的氛围而言，这足够了吗？每年的补充一次可能比挖沟更好。10,000个BTU DV壁炉看起来仍然很漂亮，较小的坦克更容易“隐藏”。
考虑一下沃尔特：“似乎我们每年只用壁炉使用大约15加仑”。
Superior:https://superiorfireplaces.us.com/products/gas-fireplaces/drc2033/#specifications
乙醇壁炉？
Why are you not considering the option of an electric fireplace? To correctly determine the required power, consider the size of the room. At least 1 kW is needed for 10 square meters if the fireplace is used as a decor. For the living room or bedroom, choose models with a power of about 2 kW. It is enough to maintain a comfortable temperature. You can contact a furniture rental companyhttps://onstage-online.com/our-services并租用壁炉，以了解此选项对您有多方便。
Have you considered water vapor fireplaces?
They were recommended to us as we are pursuing a high-performance build (Pretty Good but not Passive House level) and were advised that our house would overheat with a traditional combustion fireplace of any sort.
We haven't reached the point of deciding on a particular brand of water vapour fireplace, but they look (to us at least) better than traditional electric fireplaces, and many do come with built-in electric resistance space heaters if you want them to generate heat.
值得谷歌搜索和结帐作为燃烧的替代方法 - 特别是如果您担心室内空气质量。
我面临同样的决定，壁炉处于与房屋其他地方隔离的4季门廊。从设计的角度来看，用法仅是11月至3月。壁炉应使用外部和通风口到外部的燃烧空气。天然气没有错，您想要平衡的投资组合。请注意BTUH输出，壁炉应该有一个计时器，一个小时后应关闭。NG壁炉没什么错，除了一个小时后，您有热量在您占用房间的2-3小时内保持温暖。
当网格变得不稳定时，我将NG壁炉视为紧急热源。同样，平衡的能源投资组合是弹性房屋的最佳防御。
我们决定使用燃木壁炉/炉子去。我不喜欢看到的任何电壁炉。而且，建立一个丙烷系统或将NG管从400英尺外的地方路由，只是为了壁炉。我的妻子终于同意这是最有意义的，所以这就是我们的未来（房屋仍处于设计阶段）。
There are also holographic electric fire places. They project a hologram onto a physical set, basically the same fake logs you get in gas fireplaces.
有人有经验吗？
我最初不想为我的所有电动房屋提供壁炉，但是我的配偶喜欢壁炉的美学。尽管她对电壁炉很满意，但我认为，如果我们有一个壁炉，它至少应该像壁炉的几个世纪那样运作：作为无网源。
解决方案：我带了一个乙醇壁炉。放出12KBTU/HR，因此如果冬季电源熄灭，则可以用作备用热源。当我们运行它时，我将HRV提升并打开一些窗户，以最大程度地提高通风并最大程度地减少空气中的CO2/H2O堆积。
The fuel is a bit pricey but we use so little that it hardly matters.