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绝缘大教堂天花板:冰河还是高密度吹入纤维素?

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我们对不同承包商有不同的意见。绝缘承包商说,我们不需要用纤维素进行通风,因为密集的填充物可作为水分屏障。这是真的?还是我们应该和冰河一起去?谢谢!

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  1. GBA编辑
    Martin Holladay||#1

    玛丽拉(Mariela),
    只要after式海湾足够厚,可以在无通风的情况下使用冰河或致密的纤维素,无需通风即可为密码少量(或较厚)绝缘提供空间。不要谈论浏览R-Value。

    如果使用纤维素,请特别注意天花板空气屏障。您希望它无可挑剔。

  2. Robert Riversong||#2

    玛丽拉(Mariela),

    您没有指出自己在哪里 - 您在哪个气候区域。

    纤维素和冰淇淋烯都不是“水分屏障”,因为它们都具有高蒸气渗透性。正确安装的喷雾泡沫在成为空气屏障方面更好,尽管密集的纤维素比任何其他纤维隔热材料都更限制空气运动。无论哪种情况,您都需要在天花板上不间断的空气屏障。

    尽管关于屋顶通风的优点有很多争论,但专家的共识仍然对寒冷的气候有利。看到我的帖子//m.etiketa4.com/community/forum/gba-pro-help/15535/when-continous-self-aself-adhered-membrane-required-frof

  3. Robert Riversong||#3

    This is mostly for Martin (and anyone else who advocates unvented cathedral ceilings).

    我刚刚在《 ASTM杂志》中遇到了一篇最近发表的文章,“紧凑的沥青瓦屋顶系统:应该发泄吗?”。http://www.astm.org/DIGITAL_LIBRARY/JOURNALS/JAI/PAGES/JAI102057.htm

    摘要得出结论:

    Our study showed better durability of vented roof assemblies with permeable insulation in cold climates due to redundancies that can tolerate incidental moisture and provide visual indicators of roof leakage; roof sheathing typically dries in 1-1/2 to 2 months. All of the unvented roof assemblies are intolerant of incidental water leakage and the moisture-sensitive layers (i.e., sheathing and gypsum wallboard (for open-cell polyurethane insulation)) exceed the threshold for decay. In hot, humid climates, the most durable roof assemblies are the vented, open-cell polyurethane systems with shorter drying time of the interior gypsum wallboard when compared to the unvented roof assembly; both the sheathing and gypsum wallboard dry out within 2-1/2 months. In an unvented assembly, the drying time for sheathing is similar but the drying time for gypsum wallboard increases to 6.5 months on average. Alternatively, unvented permeable shingled roofs are a viable option in hot, humid climates, although they are slightly less durable. The least tolerant roof assemblies in either climate are the unvented closed-cell polyurethane roof assembly due to trapped moisture and slow drying of the roof sheathing (up to 12 months in Miami, FL and 27 months in Boston, MA).

  4. Derek Vander Hoop||#4

    玛丽拉(Mariela),
    我已经重新阅读了这篇文章几天,试图让我的手臂围绕马丁,罗伯特和罗伯特·援引的研究作者所说的话。
    关于您的承包商认为密集的包装纤维素是一个水分屏障,他是不正确的。但是,由于其密度和填充所有角落和缝隙的能力,它确实限制了空气运动进入组装。作为马丁和罗伯特州立大学,重要的是要在天花板上设有空气屏障,以最大程度地减少堆栈效果,在寒冷的气候下,您还希望在after子的底部进行蒸气屏障。您可能已经知道,嵌入式灯可以在大教堂天花板上的禁忌。
    作为房主,如果我的屋顶确实会出现泄漏,我将想立即知道它,以便我可以及时修理或更换它。作为建造者,我不仅需要考虑如何建造屋顶,而且还需要考虑屋顶组件在将来泄漏时会发生什么。
    如果我建立一个教堂的屋顶,我将reluctant to use cellulose because when it gets wet, I would guess it takes a fair amount of time to dry out, even in a vented roof. In an unvented roof, with Visquine at the bottom and the sheathing at the top, it would take even longer. Secondly, cellulose can settle when it gets saturated., how much depends on how dense it was to begin with. How does that affect R-Value? In a pitched cathedral roof, does the cellulose not only settle, but slide just a little bit down along the visquine vapor barrier below (in a cold climate), causing a cold spot in the assembly? If so, how do you repair it short of opening up the roof to see just how much or if the insulation is compromised?
    除了大教堂天花板外,我是几乎每个组件的闭合细胞喷雾材料的拥护者。几年前,我进行了一项测试,并在一个平方英尺的X 4英寸厚的冰河(开放式电池)中挖掘了一个小凹陷,还有我办公室中的Corbond(闭孔)之一,并充满了水。在第二天或两天,水渗透到了冰河的4英寸,但科比德不透水。如果我承认所有屋顶最终都会泄漏(并且都这样做),那么如果将屋顶泄漏,则最终将其泄漏到下方的粘膜下,并在第一个螺钉或指甲遇到的丑陋头部抬起。当房主看到这二十,三十或四十年的时间时,他在屋顶屋里打电话,然后才会发生任何重大腐烂。冰河的优势在于它会干燥而不会受到损害。它不会安顿下来,不会腐烂,也不会移动。
    但是,在喷洒了闭孔泡沫绝缘的大教堂天花板中,我可以设想一个泄漏,也许是几个月,也许几年,在没有房主的情况下慢慢腐烂了护套和after子。
    Regarding ventilation, everything I have read indicates that ventilating a cathedral roof is the way to go. It cuts down on the slight amount of heat conducted to the conditioned space below, dries out/ventilates the underside of the sheathing above and the fiberglas, cellulose or Icynene below, and lengthens the service life of the shingles.
    关于罗伯特所引用的研究,我对护套(2-1/2个月)和干墙(6-1/2个月)在未通风的组件中用开放的细胞喷雾泡沫绝缘的组件中干燥多长时间(6-1/2个月)感到惊讶,以及在未通风的闭孔喷涂泡沫组件中干燥需要多长时间。在波士顿27个月?在威斯康星州的一个夏天,随着阳光的袭击,很难相信这可能需要这么长时间。但这就是为什么我们进行研究,学习这些东西(假设测试结论有效☺)

  5. 玛丽拉||#5

    Thanks everybody for the very helpful answers. We have decided to go with Icynene. We live in Boston and therefore the study cited is very relevant to us!
    Thanks again,
    玛丽拉

  6. Robert Riversong||#6

    玛丽拉(Mariela),I hope you also decided to ventilate the roof and air-seal it very well on the interior.

    德里克(Derek),您提出的示例中的缺陷是内部聚乙烯蒸气屏障。几乎所有的纤维素绝缘制造商都强烈建议您不要使用VB,如果安装了VB,则某些制造商将无法保证该产品。空气屏障是必需的。而且,由于在通风大教堂天花板/屋顶中的任何湿气绝缘材料(包括开孔泡沫)都应与通风道分开,因此一种自由干燥的材料(例如可透气的房屋包),因为通风孔挡板也会排出任何屋顶泄漏到拱腹通风口并防止绝缘的过度润湿。纤维素可以安全地吸收并释放其在水中的30%,而不会变形或沉降。

    正如ASTM研究指出的那样,与开孔泡沫(ICYNENE)一起使用的适当VB是可变的铜材料,可在夏季或发生泄漏的情况下向内部干燥。

    如果正确详细介绍了WRB和空气屏障,几乎没有任何情况下聚乙烯蒸气屏障可以改善墙壁或屋顶/天花板组件的性能。

  7. Derek Vander Hoop||#7

    嗨,罗伯特,

    The state of Wisconsin requires a vapor barrier, typically visquine, on inside wall surfaces for all insulations, except for closed cell foams, like Corbond. (Some building inspection departments will allow me to use a vapor barrier primer if I provide a receipt for quantity of primer purchased, a label stating the product is a vapor barrier, and an affidavit from the drywall contractor spraying the primer that he did use the product in question, but this doesn't address your concern that Icynene and cellulose shouldn't have a vapor barrier)

    我已经使用了tyvek,钉了,粘合和填充在改造应用程序中,创建了一个成功的通道,正是从安装的现有摇晃的屋顶上引导水(您可以在抬头看着1x6的屋顶上的1x6屋顶上的奶昔时都可以看到水。)

    I recognize that cellulose can safely hold a fair amount of moisture and safely release it, but are you not concerned that in some applications, water will condense of the inside of the exterior sheathing or if the moisture percentage is high enough, freeze at some point in the wall cavity? Sure, the cellulose gradually releases the moisture back into the building, but that doesn't do me any good if I have condensation worries during our winters? It makes sense to me to reduce vapor drive into the wall cavity, but I'll admit that a properly constructed wall will go a long way towards reducing the problem.

    对于居住在波士顿的玛丽拉(Mariela)而言,他们的冬季不如我们的冬天那样寒冷或严重,所以这对她而言不大。

  8. GBA编辑
    Martin Holladay||#8

    Derek,
    我很遗憾听到威斯康星州的一些建筑检查员仍在误解建筑物代码并迫使不适当使用内部聚乙烯。我很高兴有些检查员了解,蒸汽延迟涂料可以满足建筑法规的要求。我敦促所有遇到此类建筑检查员的建筑商尽最大努力对他们进行教育,以便逐渐减少对聚乙烯的不当使用。

    在紧急情况下,建造者被顽固而受过受过教育的建筑物检查员逼入角落,可以求助于膜的安装 - 一种昂贵的解决方案,但有时比将头击中砖墙更容易。

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