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Slab Rebar vs Macro Fiber

Peter L|发布General Questions

Which is better for strength and durability?

4″ slab with #4 rebar @ 12″ o.c.
4英寸平板,带#3钢筋 @ 24英寸O.C.
4英寸平板,没有钢筋,只有宏纤维 @ 5磅/cy

4,000 psi mix

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  1. C L||#1

    For strength, resteel.
    To reduce shrinkage cracks, fiber mesh.

  2. Expert Member
    Michael Maines||#2

    Peter, I'm guessing you might have a typo--did you mean to ask about #4s at 24" oc and #3s at 12" oc? That would be a closer comparison. #3s have about half the cross-sectional area of #4s and about half the tensile strength, so using twice as many as you would with #4s will result in about the same tensile strength.

    There is more to the strength, though--the deformed surface of the rebar mechanically bonds to the concrete (along with a weaker chemical bond) to prevent the rebar from slipping inside the concrete. The surface area of #3s is 75% that of #4s, so using twice as many #3s will grip the concrete better.

    If this is a slab exposed to weathering agents (water or salt) such as a garage or driveway there is another concern; in case the rebar corrodes, larger dimension steel will last longer.

    最后,有一个问题是什么样的力量很重要。在大多数住宅板或地下室板中,田间的钢筋主要是为了减少因收缩而减少裂纹,而在周长或基础上的钢筋则在那里支撑载荷。本质上,该领域没有钢筋的风险。焊接线网与直径较小的电线具有相似的作用。它的主要缺点是,在放置混凝土时很难保持适当的位置。

    There are other things you can do to reduce cracking, such as using only as much water as necessary for hydration and placement, letting it damp-cure slowly, and various additives.

    I don't have experience with macro-fiber but often spec micro-fibers to limit fine cracking. If the slab is to be a finished floor, be very careful with what fibers they use, or use a different method, or you'll have a hairy floor. There are also structural fiber additives that can replace some rebar .

    1. T. Barker||#3

      Good summary!

      The only thing I would add is when you specify too tight a pattern (e.g. 12") on residential projects it's hard for the workers to step between the rebar while doing the pour. As a result, especially with a careless contractor, there's more chance they'll put the rebar on the ground in certain places, and it becomes worthless. This is why I NEVER use wire mesh. It NEVER ends up at the right height in the concrete floor.

      从结构设计的角度来看,在许多司法管辖区,不承担轴承层(即未设计的平板)很少需要任何钢筋。但是,我个人总是坚持要钢筋减少裂纹分离,动荡等。当您确实需要钢筋时,这主要是关于混凝土横截面的钢筋总横截面间。

  3. 约翰·泰勒||#4

    另一个选择是在带有1或2(交错)屏幕层的椅子上#3钢筋,并连接到钢筋。

    Fiber is not added for strength

  4. Peter L||#5

    On my current house they used #3 rebar at 24" oc and a 4,000 psi hydro-mix and I have ZERO cracks in my garage (house floor is covered with tile but I assume it's like the garage floor).

    Of course the sub base was 4" of compacted AB (fines/sand and 3/4" or smaller rock).

  5. Zdesign||#6

    #4 or #3 rebar is completely overkill and unnecessary for a garage slab. 6x6x10 Welded wire mesh is all that is needed with 3000 psi concrete. If you have a heavy truck bump it 4000 psi or a 5" or 6" slab. Leave the steel for walls and reinforced point load areas.

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