地板覆盖物的拆卸游泳池
We have a house with a large addition that at one point had a gunite pool installed in it. Subsequent owners decommissioned the pool and had a floor built over it and appear to have been planning to use the space as a master bedroom. We would like to make the large room our kitchen/living/dining area but what to do with the pool is the first big issue to work through. There is always a small amount of water in the deep end around a drain that someone appears to have tried to seal. I suspect hydrostatic pressure, but I’m not positive. I wet-vac’d all the water out one day and checked some days later and the water was back. The amount seems fairly constant. Meanwhile, I’m planning to replace all interior insulation in the room and add exterior insulation and siding, hopefully for a pretty airtight enclosure. I’ve had a few suggestions including putting in a sump pump, adding more concrete to the deep end to seal it, and of course, filling the dang thing in. I would love to avoid filling it in if at all possible not to save the pool but to save money. The pool is sound and clean other than the puddle and it could have storage potential (or a panic room as many have suggested!). Any ideas for a practical way to keep the water out and remove the moisture problem that doesn’t require a total fill-in? Zone: 5A
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取下排水管，并在排水管中放置一个测试塞.....
谢谢for the idea. One issue is that the drain was already “sealed” with some sort of cement-like compound. See photo, which I just took after removing the water again. Looks like it was meant to be a permanent fix. Guess I could try adding another layer.
You may be better off cleaning out what there and setting some hydraulic cement or other sealant deeper in the hole, rather than a skim seal.
It seems like investigating where the drain leads would provide some clues. Tough to tell what's going on from on-line. If it seems to be ground water, perhaps treat it as a basement with similar water entry remedies used for basements.
If you can, try to monitor the area to see if that is where the water is truly coming from. If it is, break out the old concrete to see what you are dealing with, then either a mechanical plug or hydraulic cement as Tyler mentioned.
I'm not in a huge rush with this project, so I like the idea of doing some more investigation as you and Tyler are suggesting. I'll report back.
The safest option would be to fill it, pour a slab and move on from there as a normal assembly.
基本上将游泳池保持在某种形式的情况下，使其成为地下室。问题是：“您的游泳池是一个好地下室吗？”我认为这里没有人可以回答，因为有很多变量。我建议您定义如何使用它，然后让工程师在计划中签字。这样做的主要原因是，如果发生任何奇怪的事情，您不希望保险否认厨房最终进入深处时。我认为您超出了大部分规范代码的范围。
我很好奇的是地板的安装方式。是托梁搁在泳池甲板/平板上，然后飞过游泳池。我不希望游泳池的边缘被设计为基础。我认为，根据板厚度，托梁可能需要在距离距离距离的距离上休息。
我对此的看法越多，蒸气和凝结管理是这个组装的真正挑战。这是您目前遇到的散装水分问题的补充。除非平板和游泳池恰好是绝缘的，否则有风险使它们成为地板下方的凝结表面。如果您在地板上添加可渗透的空气绝缘材料，这将成为一个问题。理想的解决方案是像任何地下室/平板组件一样，将泡沫板或喷雾泡沫喷在混凝土上。您的只是有奇怪的弯曲墙壁，也许坐在平板上的地板托梁。
A vapor barrier is also good to have below or above the concrete, I don’t know much about how a pool is constructed.
How has the current assembly done so far? I would start monitoring dew point and temp.
Depending on the existing setup and your energy, comfort, and resiliency goals, filling it may make a lot of sense.
The real answer is, tear the floor out, skate the pool and put the kitchen elsewhere.
谢谢，马特（Matt） - 这是第一次提出了一些滑板场。我将其添加到列表中。
I took some pics of the floor assembly, attached. It is not a flying floor but 2x12s connected to joist hangers connected to 2x12 ledger board, with an additional run of PT wood between that and the concrete. An AdvanTech subfloor sits on the joists.
Apart from the persistent puddle in the deep end, I haven't noticed any other issue with the pool structure itself such as cracks.
关于蒸气/冷凝管理的好思想。我已经有一个检查员提到，如果我继续进行外部绝缘，空气密封等，这将是一个问题。
Interesting, I hadn't anticipated that the floor was installed with the pool. Was this assembly originally inspected? If it was, check what the your building file to see how they justified it. I would think this needs engineering sign off.
I don't know much about pool construction, but the original intent of pool structure was not to have a floor installed there. Gunnite is apparently stronger than standard concrete, but he shape of the wall isn't ideal for a footing.
以前我们的房子主人给我留下2现状tes for work to put a floor over the pool. The plan was to raise the floor as the pool room is 12" lower than the main house. 1 quote was to place joists over the pool (and whole room) without any other supporting structure so the joists would be sitting on the concrete slab of the room. The 2nd company was going to put sono tube supports through the slab and hang a steel beam across the length of the pool and then hang floor joists from it. So it appears that the 2nd company was thinking that the slab shouldn't carry the weight of the floor.
Hi Michael - so interesting to see your question as we are up against somewhat of the same challenge. We have recently purchased a house with a 1200 sq ft wing that had an indoor pool that has been "decommissioned" in the broadest sense of the word. The previous owner started to fill it in with sand. Ours was a vinyl pool. We have to figure out what to do to complete the process and prepare the room for future use or as the real estate agent said "just tear it down as it's a liability not an asset in it's current state". I sure would like to private message you to discuss or commiserate going forward. I can't find out much on the web on what to do. Scott
听起来不错，斯科特。我看不到该怎么做，但是我仍然处于试用模式，所以也许我没有解锁PMS？
Their forum software doesn't support PMs. Might be best to direct each other to another forum with PM's or ask one of the editors to help you out.
谢谢马特 - 下周我会与编辑联系。这是加拿大的感恩节周末，所以忙于烹饪火鸡！
迈克尔 - 我也在参加为期10天的审判，所以我们必须尽快弄清楚。只是为了娱乐，这是我们“池”的当前状态！
迈克尔 - 我没有看到任何简单的方法来私下发布我们的电子邮件地址。我确实有一个LinkedIn个人资料，如果您也在那里，您可以通过它来搜索我。我没有其他社交媒体帐户，但是我的女儿说，如果您有FB，她也许可以在那里搜索您。
Sorry to the other members who are getting pinged on this while we sort it out.
我没有收到我的答复的普通电子邮件，所以再次碰到它。如果我们不与您的项目迈克尔联系好运。
Hey, Scott, I think I found you. Check at LinkedIn.
嗨，迈克和斯科特。我看到您继续在此网站上进行对话。我很想连接并看看情况如何。我有同样的问题。我购买了一所房子，该房子遮盖了一个室内游泳池，并在上面铺了一个美丽的房间。问题是，水分破坏了托梁和地板，因此我必须在购买房屋后10年删除所有东西！我不确定在重建地下之前解决水分问题的最佳方法。任何信息，将不胜感激。谢谢
Hi Kornhusker - Scott here. Not much has happened on my end but I'm getting ready to move forward. I'm very interested to find out why your joists rotted.
This forum does not provide for private messages so we didn't exchange emails here but found each other on LinkedIn and did there. If you have it you can search for me (Scott Vidler- EMS Support Engineer) there and we can exchange emails addresses.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Bump
嗨，迈克尔，感谢您的分享...我在这里像其他人一样面临类似的问题。非常有兴趣知道您最终（如果有的话）在游泳池顶部做一个厨房/出色的房间工作。
I think the obvious solution is to fill it in, but I have had a hard time finding details on how to properly do that. The wooden floors is an interesting solution because you could rip those out if a future owner actually wanted the pool.
很想在类似情况下与这里的任何人建立联系！似乎LinkedIn是找到人的好方法。.您可以在李的Hunter Browning-Smith上找到我